"There were many different phone calls back and forth, back and forth, between the security guards and the people in the Occidental offices ~ but the people and the representatives of Occidental offices refused to have the meeting with us. They said 'No, we'll only have the meeting with Julia', with me ~ and I told the security guards 'I appreciate that, but to have a meeting with the representatives of Occidental without the effected people would be a dishonor to the land and a dishonor to the people whose lives are being devistated.' "

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